The interview focuses on three points Gelb emphasized in his summary of a panel presentation on this issue. First, he advises that problems arising in efforts to make this reform in the use of corrections resources stems more from ineffective management than from incompatible policies; i.e., policies specify what should be done, but management efforts have failed to implement the policies. Second, the huge increase in the use of imprisonment has resulted mainly from policy choices States have made rather than an increase in crime. Prison sentences have been attached to more crimes, and sentence lengths have increased. Third, there is general agreement that any sentence should involve both mandatory treatment and punishment (enforced restrictions on behaviors, freedom of movement, and choice).